[13:55:29] Jiro (Onyx): You'll want 50+ levels per stat
[13:55:53] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): brb.
[13:55:59] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): how do you mean?
[13:57:15] Jiro (Onyx): Wild dinos have levels in their stats randomly assorted. When you tame it those bonus levels are, again, randomly assorted into the stats. What it comes out with becomes the base stats used for breeding. You're going to want to keep taming 232/240 dinos until you get the stat distributions needed to breed high distribution dinos for bossing
[13:57:57] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): yea, but we are not (yet) looking into those SUPER rexes yet
[13:58:07] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): We are trying to get a good group of dinos for easy broodmother
[13:58:33] Jiro (Onyx): Oh, well shouldn't be too bad then
[13:59:03] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): You tested it right? Can you maybe give an indication what you need for easy broodmother?
[14:00:17] Jiro (Onyx): No can do, I balanced it so that each tier of boss was beatable based on the difficulty. You'll have to try it and find out, there still has to be an unknown element when fighting bosses
[14:01:13] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But there are like 1000+ guides on the internet, but we dont know how you guys have set the parameters
[14:01:59] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): and this does actually mean you and epi have an unfair advantage compared to us, because we dont know anything about the bosses and you and epi know exactly what you do need
[14:02:19] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): wait
[14:02:23] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): epi is a normal player
[14:02:35] Jiro (Onyx): The only thing available to admins is changing the time, resistance, and damage output of the boss. Time is pointless now that bosses were increased in difficulty 10 fold, so that's not a factor as you'll be dead before time runs out. Damage output was nerfed in the last dev pass so you don't get 1 shot every 5 seconds, and resistance changes how much damage the bosses take
[14:02:39] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): he puts in hard work to do that
[14:03:03] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): He tested it with Jiro and therefor has more intel than other players do have
[14:03:09] Jiro (Onyx): As have I. I've farmed the bosses for over a year. I have a good idea on how hard the bosses should be.
[14:03:29] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): me and pizza did also that already
[14:03:41] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): 19 rexes 1 yuty
[14:03:47] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): I agree with you balancing the bosses, but not giving the info to other players is in my eyes unfair, its gives you an unfair advantage compared to others
[14:03:49] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): broodmother hard 3 min down
[14:03:49] Jiro (Onyx): If it weren't for Epi, the bosses would be unbeatable. I wasn't going to change them, and let them be what the devs wanted. He convinced me to balance them
[14:04:13] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Again, I dont complain about you guys balancing, I think it is a great job... thank you for that
[14:04:29] Jiro (Onyx): Epi and I also have the means to take down hard bosses, you folks don't
[14:04:51] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But its unfair that you dont give the other players the info you and Epi have
[14:05:05] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): This means you and Epi got an advantage compared to others
[14:05:45] Jiro (Onyx): And if I told you exactly what you needed, there would be no mystery to bosses. It would be giving away endgame strategies.
[14:06:19] Jiro (Onyx): The strategy to killing the bosses is the same. Hasn't changed. Infact we used what we already knew to balance the bosses. They're entirely balanced based on current strategies.
[14:06:23] W2 SaltyBoy (Saltyboy): does anyone have a light glitch?
[14:07:11] Jiro (Onyx): Me telling people how to do it would be me telling people how to get tek 100% guaranteed. I'm not going to do it. You'll have to play trial and error
[14:07:13] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But still Jiro, the point I'm trying to make is that you and Epi have an unfair advantage in the intel of taking out bosses
[14:07:53] Jiro (Onyx): We already had the advantage, we've killed the bosses long before these balancing passes happened
[14:07:53] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): You and Epi dont have to play trail and error with the newly changed settings for bosses cause you know exactly how much you need to kill a boss
[14:08:03] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Thats a fair advantage indeed
[14:08:15] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Thats something everybody is able to do
[14:08:25] Jiro (Onyx): And yet, nobody did on HappyDiggers
[14:08:33] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But not everybody is able to spawn in 20 rexes and try the boss thousands of times
[14:09:27] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): I know you have more experience, but I think it is unfair that you guys got info after balancing it, without letting us knhow
[14:10:05] Jiro (Onyx): Anybody who has beaten the bosses previously would be able to beat the bosses now
[14:10:07] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): I still think HappyDiggers is great, this is nothing against u personally, I dont want to fight with you , but I mean... Isnt it unfair?
[14:10:31] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Yea, but you and Epi are the only ones who knows what you exactly need, this info isnt available for us
[14:11:01] Jiro (Onyx): You're missing what I'm saying. If you had the means to beat alpha brood pre-dev balancing passes, you can beat it now.
[14:11:25] Jiro (Onyx): You STILL have to work for it, but not any harder than previously
[14:11:49] Jiro (Onyx): And before the devs messed with the bosses again, both Epi and I didn't share our boss rex details. How is now any different?
[14:11:57] Jiro (Onyx): If the bosses take the same stats to beat?
[14:12:21] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): People doing the boss themselves legit is something else than admin spawning in and balancing
[14:12:33] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): And I think it is great that you took the time to balance them
[14:12:53] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): For me the problem is that it gives an unfair advantage to you and Epi, because you guys do know the details
[14:14:00] Jiro (Onyx): And you're once again missing the point. THE SAME REX STATS CAN BE USED. Meaning no changes from pre-change to post-change. You didn't know the details before, you don't know the details now. Nothing has changed
[14:14:02] CptWesley (CptWesley): pre-change is all over the internet though
[14:14:40] Jiro (Onyx): For officials, yes. Not a difficulty 8 server. And that's you relying on the internet to tell you how to do it. Also trying to bypass trial and error.
[14:15:00] CptWesley (CptWesley): well, failing and losing all your dinos kinda sucks
[14:15:04] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): It got easier, okay.. but we dont know how much easier it got, you and Epi do, and you do exactly know which bosses you can beat with what
[14:15:18] Jiro (Onyx): Yes it does! And Epi and I both lost tons of gear, weapons, saddles, rexes trying to do bosses
[14:15:40] CptWesley (CptWesley): which you spawned in anyway, so what does that matter for you?
[14:15:48] Jiro (Onyx): We didn't just magically know how to do bosses. It took months of breeding/trial and error
[14:15:48] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But now you dont have to anymore because the 2 of you knows everything
[14:16:14] Jiro (Onyx): Fine, don't do bosses. Be a lemon
[14:16:32] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): but now you guys 'magically' do know how to beat them on the new balancing
[14:16:38] CptWesley (CptWesley): the entire point is, that you and epi skipped the entire trial and error phase
[14:16:38] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): bro
[14:16:44] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): only get good rexes
[14:16:48] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): nothing to do
[14:16:58] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): How many?... We just asked
[14:17:02] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): After the balancing
[14:17:04] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): 19
[14:17:08] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): and a yuty
[14:17:12] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): after balance|?
[14:17:14] Jiro (Onyx): We didn't skip anything. Took us months to beat the bosses. The new bosses were impossible. No possible way to beat them.
[14:17:24] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): maybe u dont need thatmuch
[14:17:28] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): again jiro, I think it is great that you balanced them
[14:17:32] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): but take 19 to do max. dmg
[14:17:56] Jiro (Onyx): No, I'm not being pressured to telling you. You'll have to work it out like everyone had to before you
[14:17:58] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But my main problem is u not sharing the details you now do know after balancing
[14:18:04] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): me and pizza did brood on hard took 3min but we have high dmg and hp rexes and good 250+ armour saddles
[14:18:14] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But Jiro, for the new system you and Epi dont have to find it out anymore
[14:18:30] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Arkerino, pre-balance or post-balance?
[14:18:36] Jiro (Onyx): 1. That was pre-balancing on my part, 2. I know the stats of those rexes.
[14:18:38] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): yesterday
[14:18:44] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): was yesterday
[14:18:44] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): II am back, miss me?
[14:18:50] Jiro (Onyx): Well then get better rexes
[14:18:50] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): ofc you guys did.
[14:18:56] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): lmao fck u
[14:19:00] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): doing this giga alone
[14:19:04] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): haha
[14:20:54] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): but do you understand my point, Jiro?
[14:21:00] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): I think it is great that you balanced them
[14:21:00] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): and yeah rex breeding wasnt easy, I spent 3 weeks wiping the spawns over and over and taming every 232+ rex I found
[14:21:08] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But now you have more info than we do
[14:21:22] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): is it possible to import boss items to import from island server? like spino stuff
[14:21:26] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): And thats not only because of experience, but also because of you balancing the bosses, which is great
[14:21:36] Jiro (Onyx): I'm done talking about it.
[14:21:42] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): but is unfair if you dont want to share it with other
[14:21:44] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): s
[14:22:34] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): I say it is fair, we did broodmother 3 times before we actually figured out the best way,
[14:22:40] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): yea
[14:22:50] CptWesley (CptWesley): the thing is not us not knowing, the thing is jiro knowing
[14:22:52] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): i lost 5 days of sleep in 10 min xD
[14:22:56] CptWesley (CptWesley): thats the entire point we are trying to make
[14:23:22] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): I mean, he still had to waste his dinos to find out how op it was...
[14:23:38] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): During the balancing he spawned in
[14:23:48] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): they did breed
[14:23:54] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): like we
[14:24:02] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): did
[14:25:04] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): I mean for the testing it they spawned in
[14:25:28] Pizzzzzzzzzzzzza (Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza): you can also spawn it in singleplayer tho and test it for yourself i am sure.
[14:25:36] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): yea
[14:25:40] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): But not with those hidden modifiers on this server
[14:25:46] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): just pput dificult on 8
[14:25:56] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Arkerino, they manually change dthe values of the boss
[14:26:08] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): so difficulty 8 doesnt say anything anymore
[14:26:14] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): ah
[14:26:34] W2 SaltyBoy (Saltyboy): anyone want a red drop?
[14:26:42] Jiro (Onyx): Which you can also modify in singelplayer. Go ahead and try difficulty 8 bosses with spawned in max level rexes. Go ahead, I'll wait.
[14:26:44] W2 SaltyBoy (Saltyboy): a special one
[14:27:04] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): Ah, so we can get the modifiers of the bosses on this server? Then everything is fair again!
[14:27:30] DC3 MatthTheBeas... (DutifulComet3): are they on the forums page, like all modifiers?
[14:27:36] xBearGryllsx (Arkerino): only 1
[14:28:18] Jiro (Onyx): That could work, since it's not revealing rex stats/saddles/etc. However, with this attack I'm less inclined to do anything atm